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	<title>Comments on: UAW Killed GM &amp; Ford.  Now They&#8217;re Going To Kill You.</title>
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		<title>By: myths</title>
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		<dc:creator>myths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Auto worker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Auto worker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things commonly misunderstood by General Public and media:
1. US Auto companies are failing because they could not produce modern cars
2. Management screwed up by giving UAW what they wanted

For the the end result, these statements might look true there are very coarse reasons behind them.

Statement # 1:

US Auto companies has been producing world class for over decades and piling up awards by reputed firms JD Power and magazines. But general public and media very did not stop bad mouthing them even after they had a turn around now some time ago. I have seen people actively criticizing while they never owned an american automobile. 

Result of an unfortunate animosity between media and Auto Industry.

Statement # 2:

Here is a kicker, majority of GM, Ford &amp; Chrysler management was hourly once and still has relations in hourly work force. At time of negotiations, guess where sympathies would be. This situation is not as bad now as it used be when those unbelievable contracts were written.

There is no doubt that many UAW member take advantage of their companies by NOT being a good producer, contributor or good employee. Even now an ordinary UAW worker couldn&#039;t careless about what happens to the industry, their contract ensures them some 94% while staying at home or vacationing when plants are down. This can change if a federal judge throws the contract out upon request. But it will never be requested as it was never requested when Delphi filed bankruptcy.

Will anything change without a acute surgical procedure. The answer will be NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things commonly misunderstood by General Public and media:<br />
1. US Auto companies are failing because they could not produce modern cars<br />
2. Management screwed up by giving UAW what they wanted</p>
<p>For the the end result, these statements might look true there are very coarse reasons behind them.</p>
<p>Statement # 1:</p>
<p>US Auto companies has been producing world class for over decades and piling up awards by reputed firms JD Power and magazines. But general public and media very did not stop bad mouthing them even after they had a turn around now some time ago. I have seen people actively criticizing while they never owned an american automobile. </p>
<p>Result of an unfortunate animosity between media and Auto Industry.</p>
<p>Statement # 2:</p>
<p>Here is a kicker, majority of GM, Ford &amp; Chrysler management was hourly once and still has relations in hourly work force. At time of negotiations, guess where sympathies would be. This situation is not as bad now as it used be when those unbelievable contracts were written.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that many UAW member take advantage of their companies by NOT being a good producer, contributor or good employee. Even now an ordinary UAW worker couldn&#8217;t careless about what happens to the industry, their contract ensures them some 94% while staying at home or vacationing when plants are down. This can change if a federal judge throws the contract out upon request. But it will never be requested as it was never requested when Delphi filed bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Will anything change without a acute surgical procedure. The answer will be NO.</p>
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		<title>By: Buying Imports</title>
		<link>http://www.belshe.com/2007/10/10/uaw-killed-gm-ford-now-theyre-going-to-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-46112</link>
		<dc:creator>Buying Imports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love what is going to happen to UAW. Now that GM is filing for chapter 11. The next thing to fall off the map are all those worthless workers. The UAW needs to dissolved completely. I hope GM goes in a new direction and starts from scratch from the builders to the toilet cleaners. Then they will be able to build quality American cars. Until then pass me the imports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love what is going to happen to UAW. Now that GM is filing for chapter 11. The next thing to fall off the map are all those worthless workers. The UAW needs to dissolved completely. I hope GM goes in a new direction and starts from scratch from the builders to the toilet cleaners. Then they will be able to build quality American cars. Until then pass me the imports.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never worked in a union factory but I have dealt with the UAW taking money out of my pocket at heavy truck dealer when they pushed to get higher wages for the mechanics when the money wasn&#039;t  even there. I was 60+ hours a week and not getting over time only commission selling and delivery of these heavy truck parts .Breaking my back and then finding out I had to take a 50% pay cut on my commissions because the money they asked for wasn&#039;t there. The UAW is a disguised communist party. That&#039;s why the UAW doesn&#039;t work for these companies it just destroys them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never worked in a union factory but I have dealt with the UAW taking money out of my pocket at heavy truck dealer when they pushed to get higher wages for the mechanics when the money wasn&#8217;t  even there. I was 60+ hours a week and not getting over time only commission selling and delivery of these heavy truck parts .Breaking my back and then finding out I had to take a 50% pay cut on my commissions because the money they asked for wasn&#8217;t there. The UAW is a disguised communist party. That&#8217;s why the UAW doesn&#8217;t work for these companies it just destroys them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently got into a hefty debate with US Senator Sherrod Brown. This idiot whole unfortunately represents my state (ohio) told me that 83% of workers, according to a survey, wants to be unionized, but can&#039;t because of corporate owners tactics and intimidation workers representation is down! No, it&#039;s down because workers have no need for money hungry unions. Their purpose is no longer necessary due to the tight labor laws and even the threat of unionization.
I am a proud Republican. I have bought vehicles from all of the Big Three. So, when I saw last week that the UAW donated 99% of it&#039;s political contributions to the Demoratic party, and only a mere 1% to the GOP, well guess what? I decided that if they won&#039;t support me, then I won&#039;t support them. My Dodge truck WILL be my last UAW made vehicle. Hell, even 10% would be acceptable. But an insulting 1%...screw them!! I just got a Volvo Cross Country and it blows away anything I have ever owned from the Big Three. Now I see why some people won&#039;t buy American. It makes me sick. Unions are for losers who whine and carry on if they don&#039;t get their way. And the Big Three just gave it to them.  Idiots. 
Away with the UAW and then people like me will buy their cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently got into a hefty debate with US Senator Sherrod Brown. This idiot whole unfortunately represents my state (ohio) told me that 83% of workers, according to a survey, wants to be unionized, but can&#8217;t because of corporate owners tactics and intimidation workers representation is down! No, it&#8217;s down because workers have no need for money hungry unions. Their purpose is no longer necessary due to the tight labor laws and even the threat of unionization.<br />
I am a proud Republican. I have bought vehicles from all of the Big Three. So, when I saw last week that the UAW donated 99% of it&#8217;s political contributions to the Demoratic party, and only a mere 1% to the GOP, well guess what? I decided that if they won&#8217;t support me, then I won&#8217;t support them. My Dodge truck WILL be my last UAW made vehicle. Hell, even 10% would be acceptable. But an insulting 1%&#8230;screw them!! I just got a Volvo Cross Country and it blows away anything I have ever owned from the Big Three. Now I see why some people won&#8217;t buy American. It makes me sick. Unions are for losers who whine and carry on if they don&#8217;t get their way. And the Big Three just gave it to them.  Idiots.<br />
Away with the UAW and then people like me will buy their cars.</p>
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		<title>By: carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband was a UAW worker for 22 years- 10 with a steel tube company and 11 with Chrysler.  The UAW has made our live a living hell.  He paid 52.00 a month for dues. When he had surgery the UAW Local and International did not do anything for us.  We had to call around for his sick pay.  No checks for 3 weeks.  UAW response: We will get back with you.  When my husband was at work he needed a Union rep for a saftey issue No one was found???  UAW means nothing to us anymore.  I agree with all your comments above.  I am sad for this when my grandfather was a Teamsters when I was a kid I remeber the walkouts and the Union standing up for what they believe in.  If they said &quot;No foreign truck,car or Company cross into the plant well by gees no one got thru&quot;.  Also when this last National contract was passed you local contract is supposed to follow NO WAY my husband with other workers has no local contract it is almost a uyear later.  Here is the kicker the National contract that passed all UAW members get copies of this No copies&#039; When these workers approched there UAW leaders the response was &quot; There were somethings missprinted and the had to be reprinted&quot;  HA HA still no copies a year later.  If this took place back then the workers would have walked out and striked.  But NO the UAW lost there back bone along time ago.  We were just giving them 52.00 amonth to play on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband was a UAW worker for 22 years- 10 with a steel tube company and 11 with Chrysler.  The UAW has made our live a living hell.  He paid 52.00 a month for dues. When he had surgery the UAW Local and International did not do anything for us.  We had to call around for his sick pay.  No checks for 3 weeks.  UAW response: We will get back with you.  When my husband was at work he needed a Union rep for a saftey issue No one was found???  UAW means nothing to us anymore.  I agree with all your comments above.  I am sad for this when my grandfather was a Teamsters when I was a kid I remeber the walkouts and the Union standing up for what they believe in.  If they said &#8220;No foreign truck,car or Company cross into the plant well by gees no one got thru&#8221;.  Also when this last National contract was passed you local contract is supposed to follow NO WAY my husband with other workers has no local contract it is almost a uyear later.  Here is the kicker the National contract that passed all UAW members get copies of this No copies&#8217; When these workers approched there UAW leaders the response was &#8221; There were somethings missprinted and the had to be reprinted&#8221;  HA HA still no copies a year later.  If this took place back then the workers would have walked out and striked.  But NO the UAW lost there back bone along time ago.  We were just giving them 52.00 amonth to play on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.belshe.com/2007/10/10/uaw-killed-gm-ford-now-theyre-going-to-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-39576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line, unions suck!  Market forces should dictate what a fair wage is!  Not some thug founded union that produce lazy and unproductive work forces. Unions suck!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line, unions suck!  Market forces should dictate what a fair wage is!  Not some thug founded union that produce lazy and unproductive work forces. Unions suck!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike&#8217;s Lookout &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Auto Bailout Predictions</title>
		<link>http://www.belshe.com/2007/10/10/uaw-killed-gm-ford-now-theyre-going-to-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-39563</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike&#8217;s Lookout &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Auto Bailout Predictions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a year ago, I wrote a blog post about how the UAW was killing Detroit and how the government would ultimately bail them out.&#160; The topic I addressed was UAW [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a year ago, I wrote a blog post about how the UAW was killing Detroit and how the government would ultimately bail them out.&nbsp; The topic I addressed was UAW [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Depleted Cranium &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One of the dumbest things I&#8217;ve seen in a long time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Depleted Cranium &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One of the dumbest things I&#8217;ve seen in a long time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You know what caused this crisis?   Here&#8217;s a good explaination. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You know what caused this crisis?   Here&#8217;s a good explaination. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: joe smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UAW must be broken and GM must go bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UAW must be broken and GM must go bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every bad situation provides opportunity.  In the case of the struggeling US based automakers an opportunity exists to uncover the real burden of operating a public business with union labor. While many business function quite well with a union present, it&#039;s all too evident the majority are severly hindered. Take it a step further and maybe even look to understand the real burden of the teachers unions to the tax payer and the children the teach.    
The opportunity i&#039;m speaking of is for the general public to rechognize and understand unions as a whole are a thing of the past. They had a time and place and early on provided a number of positives we all can be thankful for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every bad situation provides opportunity.  In the case of the struggeling US based automakers an opportunity exists to uncover the real burden of operating a public business with union labor. While many business function quite well with a union present, it&#8217;s all too evident the majority are severly hindered. Take it a step further and maybe even look to understand the real burden of the teachers unions to the tax payer and the children the teach.<br />
The opportunity i&#8217;m speaking of is for the general public to rechognize and understand unions as a whole are a thing of the past. They had a time and place and early on provided a number of positives we all can be thankful for.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the UAW obligated with my employment and not chosen. After being in the Army 3 years for the college fund and graduating from a top art college, i found work as a sculptor in one of the big three. i started working with the work ethic instilled into me by the Army and one of the most respected art colleges, Art Center. This quality based, fast paced work ethic is despised by the UAW drunks and couch potatoes. They frequently came over to me saying things like &quot;hey tone it down a bit, if you give them this effort they will expect it every time from you and the rest of us...BACK OFF THE EFFORT!&quot; &quot;Don&#039;t kill yourself on that job, you have 30 years to go! Take it at a nice pace.&quot; &quot;Why do you want to work that hard and make him look bad, he&#039;s been here 40 years and doesn&#039;t appreciate it.&quot; Then i was seen by management for doing a good job and photographed on the job for the hallway exibit, Auto show exhibit, design institute web site, and skilled trades magazine. As a result I was selected for interesting jobs involving overtime. This extra pay and variety of work created envy. The next thing i knew i was the focus of viscious accusatons, lies and a bullying campaign which resulted in investigations and my wrongful termination. My supervisor was nothing short of a modern day Nazi and got away with everything because he was ex-UAW and they covered his ass. That experience cost me everything as a process known as &quot;gangstalking&quot; ensued to get even with me for stealing some insecure a-holes thunder with a huge ego. I love to build things but i do not need to be represented by those who stifle me and hold me down and expect me to picket to support them when on strike. How can you demand so much when enforcing a work environment of half-ass effort? They suck, dissolve these parasites. All they did all day is talk about their houses and state &quot;geet-er-dun.&quot; Like the uneducated hillbillys they are. Let them recieve uneducated lazy hillbilly wages!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the UAW obligated with my employment and not chosen. After being in the Army 3 years for the college fund and graduating from a top art college, i found work as a sculptor in one of the big three. i started working with the work ethic instilled into me by the Army and one of the most respected art colleges, Art Center. This quality based, fast paced work ethic is despised by the UAW drunks and couch potatoes. They frequently came over to me saying things like &#8220;hey tone it down a bit, if you give them this effort they will expect it every time from you and the rest of us&#8230;BACK OFF THE EFFORT!&#8221; &#8220;Don&#8217;t kill yourself on that job, you have 30 years to go! Take it at a nice pace.&#8221; &#8220;Why do you want to work that hard and make him look bad, he&#8217;s been here 40 years and doesn&#8217;t appreciate it.&#8221; Then i was seen by management for doing a good job and photographed on the job for the hallway exibit, Auto show exhibit, design institute web site, and skilled trades magazine. As a result I was selected for interesting jobs involving overtime. This extra pay and variety of work created envy. The next thing i knew i was the focus of viscious accusatons, lies and a bullying campaign which resulted in investigations and my wrongful termination. My supervisor was nothing short of a modern day Nazi and got away with everything because he was ex-UAW and they covered his ass. That experience cost me everything as a process known as &#8220;gangstalking&#8221; ensued to get even with me for stealing some insecure a-holes thunder with a huge ego. I love to build things but i do not need to be represented by those who stifle me and hold me down and expect me to picket to support them when on strike. How can you demand so much when enforcing a work environment of half-ass effort? They suck, dissolve these parasites. All they did all day is talk about their houses and state &#8220;geet-er-dun.&#8221; Like the uneducated hillbillys they are. Let them recieve uneducated lazy hillbilly wages!</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poster is 100% right on. The UAW has done nothing good for their companies and simply created the laziest workers in the world. This extremely outdated concept is killing our image worldwide and creating frustration here at home.  I HATE hate the UAW, may it die painfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poster is 100% right on. The UAW has done nothing good for their companies and simply created the laziest workers in the world. This extremely outdated concept is killing our image worldwide and creating frustration here at home.  I HATE hate the UAW, may it die painfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McNamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McNamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked in A Dana plant for 32 years and it was also UAW.  The Big Three UAW is the reason all the IPS plants have closed and went overseas.  They put so much pressure on the Ips companies to lower their prices that they could no longer produce in the USA.   Every time the big three got a new contract we had to make concessions to they could get their freebees.. When it came down to the point we could give no more , our companies had no choice but to close down and move if they wanted to remain in business.  This all goes back to the contract language years ago that stated the Big Three could only outsource to other Union plants.  This  today is the end results.  The UAW is a big three union always has been, now I hope they go away just like our jobs and benefits did</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked in A Dana plant for 32 years and it was also UAW.  The Big Three UAW is the reason all the IPS plants have closed and went overseas.  They put so much pressure on the Ips companies to lower their prices that they could no longer produce in the USA.   Every time the big three got a new contract we had to make concessions to they could get their freebees.. When it came down to the point we could give no more , our companies had no choice but to close down and move if they wanted to remain in business.  This all goes back to the contract language years ago that stated the Big Three could only outsource to other Union plants.  This  today is the end results.  The UAW is a big three union always has been, now I hope they go away just like our jobs and benefits did</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.belshe.com/2007/10/10/uaw-killed-gm-ford-now-theyre-going-to-kill-you/#comment-38375</guid>
		<description>Even the Navajos new enough about economics to leave the Spanish settlers and neighboring Indian Tribes that they preyed on with enough horses, cows, sheep and daughters to continue producing, so they could raid them again in a couple of years. The UAW has raided the US car industry to the point where it can no longer survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the Navajos new enough about economics to leave the Spanish settlers and neighboring Indian Tribes that they preyed on with enough horses, cows, sheep and daughters to continue producing, so they could raid them again in a couple of years. The UAW has raided the US car industry to the point where it can no longer survive.</p>
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